Main: Undergraduate
Student Experiences at Hunter College
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DESCRIPTION OF STUDENT PARTICIPANTS
Given that the analysis hinges on students’ perceptions
of Hunter, it was considered important to explore the orientation
of the students who participated in the study. Students’
responses were coded for four orientation-related issues: coping
skills (i.e. assertive, active or passive behavior at Hunter),
emotional and psychological preparedness for college-level work,
academic preparedness for college-level work, and goals (i.e.
education or degree/good grades). Please see Appendix A for codebook
which provides more detailed definition of the codes.
-Coping Skills-
Almost all participants self-reported active/assertive
behavior at Hunter.However, based on their comments, it is unlikely
that this is representative of the general student population.Respondents
expressed frustration about the lack of “active”
coping skills among other students.
Jane: But I think
that there are plenty of students here who just have no interest
in…they just want to get through it, and so it’s
really hard for teachers, I think, to make it challenging for
students without constantly flunking out students.
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-Jane, Red group
Kara: Some are really
smart and on top of it, whereas others seem very passive—almost
like they want things spoon-fed to them.And I’m amazed
that Hunter College, I mean, I thought that part of the college
experience was to grow up.They don’t know how to go about
things; either asks the teacher, or somehow finding out about
the rules.And a lot of times, I find that the students are not
quite sure…they are somewhere between following the rules
and doing something proactively and going outside of the rules…to
figure out how to do it themselves.
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-Kara, Red group
Most students in this study exhibited active
or assertive coping skills. Only two students, Ada and Meg, self-reported
behaviors that demonstrate a passive approach to being at Hunter.
M: Do you ask questions?
Ada: Some...not really.Like
sometimes I can understand it, or I'll go back and read up on
it. |
-Ada, Ada interview.
Ada expressed similar discomfort around going to office hours.
Ada: And I didn't go
to the professor, I don't know why, but I guess I was like intimidated.
M: Did you think about
going to him, or did it not even cross your mind?
Ada:Thought about it,
but I wouldn't go.Because if I was going with some, you know,
like the buddy system, if I was going with somebody else, somebody,
then I'd probably be comfortable…. |
-Ada, Ada interview
Similarly, Meg demonstrated passive coping skills
through her sense of helplessness in following directions for
an assignment.
Meg: I went after class. But he was like,
he said, "No, this is not what I wanted.Yes I said analysis,
but you're doing a book report."I'm telling you what the
story's about.Maybe I had a different definition of analysis then
he did. I don't know, he wanted to know, I guess, compare the
book to areal life situation, I don't know.I still don't know
to this day what he wanted in that report. |
-Meg, Gray group
It seems likely that there was a natural selection
for students with active coping skills in the recruitment process.
Most students reported active/assertive behavior and many students
expressed that in order to survive at Hunter, one had to exhibit
pro-active behavior.This may entail students possessing persistence
in seeking academic help outside of class as this respondent stated:
Rose: I've had mostly good teachers and
all-right teachers.Um, I don't know, I haven't found someone like,
if I wasn't persistent enough.I find like, with the all-right
teachers, if you're persistent enough with some of them you just
have to be more persistent though.I haven't found someone that
was impossible to deal with.
M: So for you it's a matter of how many
times you have to go after them.
Rose: Yeah. Rose, Gray group
Active coping skills may also be reflected by
students’ wherewithal to navigate administrative processes.This
respondent cited the tenacity needed to register for classes.
Hope: ‘Cause I plan to graduate
within two years – 2004 in the spring, and I don’t
see it that way. I see it even longer.So that’s why…I’m
chasing those people around, by this time, they start to hate
me.But I’m trying…. |
-Hope, Yellow group
Some students demonstrated highly assertive
coping skills.These students seemed to possess a certain sense
of entitlement that helped them advocate for their cause.These
students would often enlist the help of faculty or administration,
in an attempt to navigate the Hunter College system and its myriad
rules.
Emma: I went and met with the Head of
the Department, because I had to have him kind of get me into
classes that I wasn’t, didn’t have pre-requisites
for.So now that he knows me by name…and I actually, specifically
took a class underneath him so that he could get to know me better.He’ll
help me whenever he can.Because I’ve had to ask for more
help. |
-Emma, Yellow group
Ally: When I can’t register for
classes, I tell the professors that I’m a chemistry majorand
that they have to give me the class. Ally, Red group
-Emotional and Psychological
Preparedness -
Levels of college readiness were hard to evaluate
based on only the students' statements, however, some themes did
emerge."Emotional and psychological readiness" are associated
with taking responsibility for academic achievement. Since there
was very little information about levels of subject knowledge
prior to entering Hunter, "academic readiness" is a
gauge of college-level study skills, rather than subject specific
skill level.
Emotional readiness was indicated both by a willingness
to take responsibility for learning and a desire to do so.
Moderator: So, do you make it more challenging
yourself?
Jane: Well, you just do all the reading.And
when there is a research paper, you do the researchalthough you
know that you could get by doing the smallest amount.And I feel
that if I didn’t study or do the reading, I probably wouldn’t
get an A.I do think that you have to study (at Hunter). |
- Jane, Red group
Judy: Well basically all my life I have
always wanted to go to New Orleans and I tried to get in last
year and like I said I didn’t.My grades from high school
were really not that good, and I came here. And I did have a positive
experience on a whole, and I got great grades. I really studied
hard and I got into the school I want to go to. Although I still
am doing an exchange next year for a year as a hunter student,
because I just thought that was a great. I mean it’s a great
opportunity to go somewhere like __________ which is $25,000 per
year and I am paying Hunter’s tuition.I mean it’s
a steal. So I am going to do that, and then I am going to go to
________. |
-Judy, Blue group
Emma: I mean I enjoy studying.I think
that’s one thing that’s great about studying whenever
you’re 25 instead of 18 is that you want to be there. |
-Emma, Yellow group
Other students made it clear that when they first
came to school they did not take responsibility for their academic
success.
M: So, when you first started to come
to Hunter and you didn't go to class all the time, but that hadn't
been your habit in high school.
Wanda: That's right.
M: So why do you think, you sort of talked
a little bit earlier, why is it that you didn't go to class all
the time? You talked about the open door?
Wanda: OK - this is what happened.The
second day in college I bumped into an old friend that had graduated
from the same high school.And she was in the Indian Club that's
located in Thomas Hunter.She said [imitating] "Oh, you're
going to have to meet these people, they're going to love you,
oh, we're going to have so much fun."I'm like "OK, fine"
[imitating] "And you know in your free time you can come
and we can have fun."I'm like "OK free time, you mean
that 25 minute break I have.OK, sure, why not." Whatever.And
I went and I started to go there very frequently, very often.And
I forgot out of that club there's a school.So that's it, subway
and there I am, and you know have my lunch, six o'clock my class
ends."Yeah what, go home?"OK and I have a friend that
graduated and every day we're in the subway, "Ah, another
day of no education. Feels good."That's until we got our
results, and that was it. |
-Wanda, Gray group
M: But up until then you got good grades?
(yup)Does your mom say stuff to you about your grades?
Ada: Yeah, she says you have to sit down
and study.Like I get distracted easily, so I have to sit down
and find a quiet place and sit.But like when it's too quiet I'll
end up falling asleep. 'Cause it'stoo quiet. So then I'll have
my headphones and she'll be mad because I have my headphones on
asking me how I can study while the headphones are on. Ada, Ada
interview
Joe: I think that class should be maybe
in the second semester, because in the first semester you are
like…you learn and you forget.That’s what happened
to me. |
-Joe, Red group
The lack of such emotional and psychological
preparedness has another consequence. Some students allow social
considerations, appearing foolish in front of classmates, for
example, to determine their academic behavior.
Meg: Yeah, you’re in a lecture and
you don’t want to talk
M: You don’t want to talk?
Meg: right cause it’s so big, all
these people and if you say something somebody might, oh, sigh
or something, if you mention something, so you’re just quiet
and listen to shat the teacher’s telling you. And if you
have a question most likely, you’ll keep it to youself and
then maybe, I don’t know it depends on the person, you’ll
go after class and ask the teacher and just, you know, look I
had a problem with this, but you wouldn’t ask it in there.
Ada: in lecture, yeah.
Meg: at least I wouldn’t,
in the lecture.
M: And you wouldn’t because you
were saying like other students might react?
Meg: Right, you know, what if you ask
a question or something a dumb question or something.Maybe dumb
to me—or, not to me—to you, but you now, I don’t
know. Meg and Ada, Gray Group.
Academic Preparedness
Academic readiness refers to possession of college
level study skills.
Manny: I am a procrastinator about papers,
but I learned at least get a schedule.What I would do is, I wouldn’t
start working on it right away – immediately - but I would
be thinking about what material do I plan to use. What books,
and what sources, what chapters was I planning to use of the textbook.And
then, uh, take a visit to the library well in advance, well in
the middle, so I can at least have someoutline, you know? Even
if I write a portion of it at the library, so I can at least be
thinking about it so if it comes down to like a week in advance
or the night before, not the night before, but a week before,
it wouldn’t technically be cramming or rushing.You know
it's thought out and my thoughts have been gathered.You know I
could just write. |
Unfortunately, several students indicated that
when they first arrived, they were unaware of how college-level
work is organized, and that it requires much more time than
high school.
M: But it sounds like maybe when you
first come to Hunter from High School you're not aware that
you need to do the reading in advance (Sounds of agreement from
around the table.)
Meg: 'Cause when you're in high school
they tell you [imitating] "You have to read this for tomorrow
so we can discuss it."I didn't even know what a syllabus
was when I first came to college, I was like "What's a
syllabus? Like, what is that?" So, when I finally, you
know, get the hang of it, yeah, but when I first started, I
didn't know... you know, to read the syllabus every night...
I just put it in my bag and keep on going. But I have a, I been
here for four terms, two years, so you know I'm getting the
hang of it now,...
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-Meg, Gray group
(Regarding finals)
Ada: I'm trying, like the first test was Anthropology so
I tried to study thedefinitions for Anthropology more, but then
I had to I tried to cut, to make it like an hour, and try to study
that.'Cause I knew I wasn’t going to study everything, 'cause
I had to split it up in two.Like since I had to study for two
things, so I studied for Anthropology for an hour forgot about
it. And then I studied for Psychology for the other hour.
M: So this is like the night before?(Yeah.)And
what about the other classes?Did you have more time to study for
those?
Ada: Theater?Yeah, 'cause it was, I had
the weekend, for theater.And English, I didn't really study for
it. Ada, Ada interview
Not surprisingly, both emotional and academic
readiness seems to be related to age and experience.Several participants
indicated that they learned from prior mistakes.For example, Wanda
told the other participants in the gray group that she had learned
to make sure that professors knew her by name now based on her
previous mistakes of remaining anonymous in big lecture halls.
Wanda: So I don't think lecture hall is
a problem at least not always.I've had good experiences in lecture
halls and my humanities professor he knows me, all my professors
this semester they know me by name, cause I go to them and I make
sure, cause you know I've fallen too many times now.Wanda, Gray
group
Similarly, Manny stated that he learned his
lesson from his past experiences at another school where he spent
most of his time socializing.He now stated that he was more interested
in setting goals for himself and accepting responsibility.
Manny: And she said this is why I wanted
you to take a semester off. And she gave me the inclination that
it was ok to return, and I could go anywhere I wanted to. But
I knew that if I went to _______- I might not graduate.
M: It was just too much of a temptation
to party?
Manny: In a way, I don’t have the
responsibility.I would have gotten probably more money, and I
wouldn’t have to worry about housing.And I would have a
work study job - you know - so I wouldn’t have as many responsibilities.But
here I have a lot of responsibilities.But it’s good. I am
thinking one or two steps ahead instead of just playing everything
by ear or improvising or just doing the immediate thing. So I
am actually setting goals for myself. I am becoming a young adult
(laughing). |
-Manny, Manny interview
Hope also demonstrated learning through her
past experiences. During her interview, she showed the researcher
a book she bought to learn better study skills. She was reading
the book during her summer vacation for her own knowledge.
M: Did someone recommend that book to
you or…?
Hope: No. When um…when I took Pre-Calculus
and I took Biopsychology…I was going nuts. ‘Cause
I was taking those two classes, the lab of Pre-Cal; I was taking
Philosophy.And I don’t know what…History.I was going
crazy.And I thought that um… I, I lost my study habits because
I couldn’t handle all those, all that material. So when
the semester was over I said, “Forget it. I have to go someplace
else and find out how to keep up with all of this.”So, I
went to Barnes and Nobles and I went there and I looked through
everything.And I said, “This is more convenient.”‘Cause
it explained the four different areas where we flunk most of the
time…especially at the beginning of the semester. So…that’s
it …I did it.I read it. |
-Hope, Hope interview
-Goals-
Surprisingly, a number of students indicated
that that they were at Hunter to learn rather than simply acquire
a degree.Quite a few expressed an enjoyment about learning. For
example:
Kara: But as long as I go to my classes,
and I do my work, and I engage myself in my classes, I’m
always having a good time.Considering I work during the day, studying
and learning is what is fun for me. |
-Kara, Red group
Jane: And sometimes I feel that courses
are really easy here, and you kind of have to make theminteresting
for yourself, and make them more challenging just because you
have an interest in learning. |
-Jane, Red group
Manny: Yes.I enjoy doing it.It’s
something that I can do.It’s something that I don’t
get tired of.I love numbers and problems solving.I do like my
accounting classes.I tell my girlfriend that this semester I really
love accounting because I knew debit and credit but this is the
first semester that I really understood it.You can give me like
any problem and I can figure out debit and credit, not because
I memorized which one is debit and which one is credit, but because
I truly understood it. I guess my biggest quotes that I live by
is the bible, it says, “The principal thing is wisdom and
with all our wisdom we can under that and in all things...”
Basically we can understand and basically it's not about a whole
lot of education but understanding what you know and understanding
the process.The reason I am patient is because I understand the
process and what needs to be done.No, here it get wisdom and with
all thy getting you can understand.” |
-Manny, Manny interview
These students also tended to have more codes
for readiness and higher GPA's.
Grouping Students According to Characteristics
Based on their characteristics (i.e. coping
skills, psychological or academic preparedness, and goals) GPA,
and parents’ educational level, 13 students were found to
cluster in the following three, broad categories: “high
achievers,” “active adapters,” and “low
achievers.”The remaining 13 students did not provide enough
information in the study to make a determination about where theyshould
be grouped in these categories.These categories are outlined in
the table below:
Table B
| Group Description |
Characteristics |
GPA Range |
Parents' Educational
Level |
High achievers.
These students were prepared for college when they arrived
and have been academically successful at Hunter. |
High readiness; learning as a goal;
active coping skills |
3.3-3.9 |
college & graduate degrees |
6 in total:
Ella, Emma, Kelly, Jane, Judy, Tilly
|
Active Adapters
These students were not prepared for college when they first
arrived, and struggled.
However, they are active about improving their academic
situation and achieving their goals |
.Low readiness at start of college;active
coping skills |
1.7-3.2 |
H.S and college |
4 in total:
Hope, Manny, Meg, Wanda
|
Low Achievers
These students were not prepared for college when they arrived,
and have not yet figured out how to succeed academically. |
Low readiness; passive coping skills |
2.4-2.8 |
H.S. and college |
3
in total:
Ada, Dora, Joe |
Academic orientation, as described by these three
groups, was found, at times, to color their experiences of Hunter’s
academic, social, and administrative environments.This will be
explored in more depth in the following sections.
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