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EXPERIENCES OF HUNTER’S ACADEMIC ENVIRONMENT
The study’s focus on students’ experiences of Hunter’s
academic environment included analyzing students’ perceptions
of the quality of teaching at Hunter, academic advising, classroomexperiences,
and whether or not students perceived academics at Hunter College
to be challenging or easy. It also included an examination of
students’ views on Hunter’s other academic services
such as tutoring and the Writing Center.
Regardless of whether students fit into the high achiever,
active adapter, or low achiever categories,students, generally,
seemed to hold favorable impressions about Hunter’s faculty.
Indeed, students considered the quality of teaching at Hunter
to be high and liked the fact that Hunterprofessors were renowned
in their field.
Lana: Yeah, I’m really amazed at all the professors
here…. Yeah…all the professors are – I mean
– they’re just priceless. It’s the only way
I could describe them.
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- Lana, Yellow group
Jane: Mostly, I think that all of my
professors have done a fabulous job. I think that the faculty
here is a lot better than I expected, because - coming back
- I knew this was a city school. There was possibility that
this was not going to be as good an education as I might get
elsewhere. But I was totally surprised, and amazed at how great
the faculty is….
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-Jane, Red group
Cal: I like the fact that my
major - most of the teachers are also professional on the side.
Some ofthem work in real life experiences. Sometimes they might
miss a class, because they are on assignment. I am in media, and
so there are reporters and magazine writers and stuff like that.
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-Cal, Blue group
M: But usually you find that professors
here at Hunter generally treat students with respect and do you
feel like you can have conversations and contribute?
Trudy: For the most part, I’ve
found that true – whether it’s a huge class of 500
people or a class with like seven people…. They’re
excellent. In fact, my major has the best faculty…renowned…renowned
faculty. |
| -Trudy, Yellow
group
Many participants also made positive comments
about the interactive nature of some Hunter professors’
teaching style. They particularly expressed high levels of satisfaction
with teachers who encouraged student participation.
Meg: I mean they (the professors) encourage
participation and if you don't talk, they get you, so everyone
starts laughing. But you get laughing along with it like - OK.
So you tell your part, what you think about the story and whatever.
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-Meg, Gray group
Kara: He (the professor) knew how to engage
students in conversations. I have never seen anyone so good at
making people comfortable talking. He was also very fair about
things. You really got the feeling that he really wanted to know
what you thought—he really cared whether or not you learned
something. He had the right attitude. |
-Kara, Red group
Hope: …. He (the professor) always
did it in terms of discussion…and um he kept the class very
active, very interactive between him and the students. And it
was very, very good. It was not the classic, standard, tradition
“Well, I’m the professor…I’ll stay here
(Right.), write on the board, and you just do what I say. |
-Hope, Yellow group
Outside of the generally, positive views most
students held about Hunter’s faculty, most students could
relate a few bad experiences that they had had with certain professors.
Some students complained about the punitive and condescending
style of some professors. Others complained about the boring nature
of some professors’ lectures when professors read directly
out of the textbook.
Meg: The teacher was very impatient, with
the students. And it's a math class and you know you've got to
have a lot of patience for math. And whenever you ask questions,
she would get agitated, like [imitating] "Didn't I just go
over that?Wasn't you listening?" Like, "I was listening,
but obviously I couldn't get it, that's why I'm asking you. Right?"After
a while people didn't ask questions any more, 'cause you just
get scolded at. |
-Meg, Gray group
Lana: And I ended up like…just debating
her (the professor) on something that she said…I’d
go, “I like to look at it from this angle.”…
And she just went off on me. Oh my gosh. She made me feel so bad;
she really…She said, “Are you saying that I am wrong?
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-Lana, Yellow group
Meg: And don't, like, OK, let's read a passage from the
book. You know? Make it interesting.
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-Meg, Gray group
Jane: I only had one teacher…I think…it was
too easy and just…she would just go along with the book.
So it was basically, if you read the book you didn’t have
to go to class. Or if you went to class, you wouldn’t have
to read the book. I can’t deal with that.
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-Jane, Red group
A few students complained that the poor English
skills of some professors affected their ability to understand
the course material. One student commented that it requires students
to spend extra time outside of class to clarify the lecture material
of a professor who does not have a basic command of the English
language.
Meg: Yeah. Like that ________ class that
I had, so the man had an accent, (uh huh) so I really didn't know
what he was saying. I had to take a no-credit for that class. |
-Meg, Gray group
Ally: Generally, in science classes… the
graduate students whose English is not so good do the labs. …But
especially when you do labs and you don’t understand what
they are saying, accidents can happen. |
Jane: An accent I would not have a problem with; the
problem is the people (professors) who come in and can’t
speak English. It takes a lot of extra time out of your life
to try to find them and make sure that you follow everything.
The professors should be able to speak English.
Most participants also expressed frustration with faculty advising
and the lack of access most students have to their faculty advisor.
M: Dora, do you have an advisor?
Dora: Yes, but you have to wait on line for
like an hour, hour and a half. She will talk with others. And
then she will say, “Oh are you waiting for me? You can
come in now.” And then she yells at you like you suppose
to know this stuff. Like I went to her for pluralism and diversity
and distribution requirements, and she said I should know. But
if it was so simple then no one would have a problem with it,
and everyone seems to have problems with it.
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-Dora, Blue group
Judy: I have to go to every single departmental
advisor at Hunter and it’s for like 15 classes. And it was
honestly a week of waiting in line for hours. And I mean their
hours are so terrible; I mean - I had the worst experience. And
I got to see what it was like with everyone. And every time I
was there - there were like twenty people in line, and I was waiting
like a half an hour. |
-Judy, Blue group
Manny: I think the problem with advising
is the accessibility. Again, they’re dealing with a lot
of students. It seems like - correct me if I am wrong - but it
seems like for every department there is only one advisor. |
-Manny, Manny interview
Furthermore, most students expressed frustration
with large classes at Hunter where individual contact with the
professor is limited and it is difficult to ask for clarifications
of the material presented.
Judy: In a general assembly hall - you
know - people are trying to ask questions. And I don’t know
anyone who had an easy time in that class and not because the
material is actually hard…. |
-Judy, Blue group
Hope:…. because it was at a lecture
hall…and uh…we didn’t have enough time to ask
questions or get individual attention. |
| -Hope, Hope interview
Sam: Anything in a lecture hall is horrible.
I’d say it’s just impractical to conduct any kind
of class there. You are better off just studying by yourself.
Taking the textbook and doing your thing and coming in for the
test. Because…not to put any professor down, but the acoustics
are horrible most of the time and usually it’s an Adjunct
where English is their second language – which has been
my experience. So…it all makes for a bad experience. |
-Sam, Yellow group
Students diverged, however, in their perceptions of the level
of difficulty of their classes. Some participants asserted that
classes seemed too easy and projected that professors were pandering
to the lowest common denominator of student when presenting
lecture material. They complained that many Hunter students
lack motivation. Generally, these students tended to cluster
in the high achiever or active adapter categories.
Manny: Sometimes it is boring - especially
when…I feel its like high school…you still see half
the class … has not read the book at all….the teacher
feels obligated to inform the students that haven’t read
- what they should have read. So…they’re learning
something new - that’s when its boring a lot of times. |
-Manny, Manny interview
Kara: I feel the same way; I’m
not challenged. I should be more challenged. Everybody puts pressure
on the professor to get a better grade, but they really don’t
want to work for it. |
-Kara, Red group
Jane: I think that the papers that you
have to write here at Hunter are really short. In high school
I was writing 10-15 pages long papers, and I haven’t had
to do that here once; the longest ones I have written have been
five or six pages. |
-Jane, Red group.
In contrast, some students perceived the coursework
at Hunter to be quite challenging and were struggling to adjust
to college level work. These students seemed to cluster in the
low achiever or active adapter categories.
Ada:…that and plus I don't know
it was either going too quick, teachers going too fast, or…
You can't really slow down since it's a lecture hall. |
-Ada, Gray group
Rae: I feel like sometimes
the 101 courses are so hard, like even harder than the advanced
courses. So sometimes I would take more than one to fill my
distribution requirements - like not my major or minor - but
just for distribution requirements. And they would make it so
hard - like you would have to write three papers and read five
books. And you know it’s 101, and it’s so hard.
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-Rae, Blue group
Joe: My classes are very challenging.
I don’t really have any complaints; everything has been
going well.My major is accounting. So far - so good. |
-Joe, Red group
Ironically, these students agreed with their
higher functioning cohort that a sizeable amount of Hunter students
lack motivation.
Meg: In class everyone's quiet to themselves.
M: And why do you think that is?
Wanda: Some are too dedicated; some
just don't care.
M: …you said other people don't
care?
Wanda: Other people you see with their
hats down...
Ada: Sleeping.
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- Meg, Wanda, Ada,
Gray group
In terms of how these struggling students handle
the challenge of college level work, some students stated that
they had sought out some of the academic services that Hunter
offers such as the Writing Center and Math Labs. Unfortunately,
most of these students complained that these academic services
were not entirely helpful.
Rose:I went once (to the Writing Center)
and we basically, but they're there to guide you but they're very
clear that they will not help you in any way to write it. So you
have to just keep reading the paper out loud over and over, and
you have to decide if you want to change it.
M:OK, uh, that sounds very labor intensive….
Rose:Yeah I never went back. Like, I went
once and I never went back. I was like, "Forget this."
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-Rose, Gray group
Hope: …the Math lab is very small
to start with… you asked them a question and they ask
you something, they ask you…they rephrase the question….
And um…if you don’t, if they see that you don’t
understand…they work it out for you. But they don’t
explain how they got the answer.
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Hope, Yellow group
Ada: (Regarding a tutor at the Writing
Center)… she didn't really correct it, she just did like
one or two little grammar mistakes that I had. But then when
I gave it to the teacher, she corrected it and there was like
a whole bunch of grammar mistakes or something. So it didn't
really help.
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| -Ada, Ada Interview
Kelly, a high achieving student, commented that
in her work as a math tutor to other students, she has to provide
more extensive academic assistance than just help with a Math
concept.
Kelly:… sometimes I tutor the students
not for math, but how to use the book. I teach them skills that
they should know already. That’s amazing to me. And it’s
not only with freshmen, because I would understand if it only
happened to freshmen, but it happens to upper level students as
well.
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Kelly, Red group
Hope, an active adapter, acknowledged that some of the college’s
attempts at teaching study skills through various workshops (i.e.
workshops on Test-Taking Strategies or Math Anxiety) were a step
be a more comprehensive program put into place to help students
with study habits.
Hope: …they started having those
workshops (Um hmm.) which are not most of the times available.
M: … you think there should be another
course maybe that talks about studying strategies?
Hope: Definitely. And some people might
find it…that it …might not be useful…at the
beginning…. Because – Freshmen –that’s
what we all think back then - “This is not useful!”But
inthe long run – you will find out that it is. |
-Hope, Hope interview
Indeed, the need for a more comprehensive,
academic assistance program to benefit struggling student seems
readily apparent.
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