Main: Undergraduate Student Experiences at Hunter College

2. EXPERIENCES OF HUNTER’S ACADEMIC ENVIRONMENT

The study’s focus on students’ experiences of Hunter’s academic environment included analyzing students’ perceptions of the quality of teaching at Hunter, academic advising, classroomexperiences, and whether or not students perceived academics at Hunter College to be challenging or easy. It also included an examination of students’ views on Hunter’s other academic services such as tutoring and the Writing Center.

Regardless of whether students fit into the high achiever, active adapter, or low achiever categories,students, generally, seemed to hold favorable impressions about Hunter’s faculty. Indeed, students considered the quality of teaching at Hunter to be high and liked the fact that Hunterprofessors were renowned in their field.

Lana: Yeah, I’m really amazed at all the professors here…. Yeah…all the professors are – I mean – they’re just priceless. It’s the only way I could describe them.

- Lana, Yellow group

Jane: Mostly, I think that all of my professors have done a fabulous job. I think that the faculty here is a lot better than I expected, because - coming back - I knew this was a city school. There was possibility that this was not going to be as good an education as I might get elsewhere. But I was totally surprised, and amazed at how great the faculty is….

-Jane, Red group

Cal: I like the fact that my major - most of the teachers are also professional on the side. Some ofthem work in real life experiences. Sometimes they might miss a class, because they are on assignment. I am in media, and so there are reporters and magazine writers and stuff like that.

-Cal, Blue group

M: But usually you find that professors here at Hunter generally treat students with respect and do you feel like you can have conversations and contribute?

Trudy: For the most part, I’ve found that true – whether it’s a huge class of 500 people or a class with like seven people…. They’re excellent. In fact, my major has the best faculty…renowned…renowned faculty.

-Trudy, Yellow group

Many participants also made positive comments about the interactive nature of some Hunter professors’ teaching style. They particularly expressed high levels of satisfaction with teachers who encouraged student participation.

Meg: I mean they (the professors) encourage participation and if you don't talk, they get you, so everyone starts laughing. But you get laughing along with it like - OK. So you tell your part, what you think about the story and whatever.

-Meg, Gray group

Kara: He (the professor) knew how to engage students in conversations. I have never seen anyone so good at making people comfortable talking. He was also very fair about things. You really got the feeling that he really wanted to know what you thought—he really cared whether or not you learned something. He had the right attitude.

-Kara, Red group

Hope: …. He (the professor) always did it in terms of discussion…and um he kept the class very active, very interactive between him and the students. And it was very, very good. It was not the classic, standard, tradition “Well, I’m the professor…I’ll stay here (Right.), write on the board, and you just do what I say.

-Hope, Yellow group

Outside of the generally, positive views most students held about Hunter’s faculty, most students could relate a few bad experiences that they had had with certain professors. Some students complained about the punitive and condescending style of some professors. Others complained about the boring nature of some professors’ lectures when professors read directly out of the textbook.

Meg: The teacher was very impatient, with the students. And it's a math class and you know you've got to have a lot of patience for math. And whenever you ask questions, she would get agitated, like [imitating] "Didn't I just go over that?Wasn't you listening?" Like, "I was listening, but obviously I couldn't get it, that's why I'm asking you. Right?"After a while people didn't ask questions any more, 'cause you just get scolded at.

-Meg, Gray group

Lana: And I ended up like…just debating her (the professor) on something that she said…I’d go, “I like to look at it from this angle.”… And she just went off on me. Oh my gosh. She made me feel so bad; she really…She said, “Are you saying that I am wrong?

-Lana, Yellow group


Meg: And don't, like, OK, let's read a passage from the book. You know? Make it interesting.

-Meg, Gray group


Jane: I only had one teacher…I think…it was too easy and just…she would just go along with the book. So it was basically, if you read the book you didn’t have to go to class. Or if you went to class, you wouldn’t have to read the book. I can’t deal with that.

-Jane, Red group

A few students complained that the poor English skills of some professors affected their ability to understand the course material. One student commented that it requires students to spend extra time outside of class to clarify the lecture material of a professor who does not have a basic command of the English language.

Meg: Yeah. Like that ________ class that I had, so the man had an accent, (uh huh) so I really didn't know what he was saying. I had to take a no-credit for that class.

-Meg, Gray group


Ally: Generally, in science classes… the graduate students whose English is not so good do the labs. …But especially when you do labs and you don’t understand what they are saying, accidents can happen.

-Ally, Red group

Jane: An accent I would not have a problem with; the problem is the people (professors) who come in and can’t speak English. It takes a lot of extra time out of your life to try to find them and make sure that you follow everything. The professors should be able to speak English.

Most participants also expressed frustration with faculty advising and the lack of access most students have to their faculty advisor.

M: Dora, do you have an advisor?

Dora: Yes, but you have to wait on line for like an hour, hour and a half. She will talk with others. And then she will say, “Oh are you waiting for me? You can come in now.” And then she yells at you like you suppose to know this stuff. Like I went to her for pluralism and diversity and distribution requirements, and she said I should know. But if it was so simple then no one would have a problem with it, and everyone seems to have problems with it.

-Dora, Blue group

Judy: I have to go to every single departmental advisor at Hunter and it’s for like 15 classes. And it was honestly a week of waiting in line for hours. And I mean their hours are so terrible; I mean - I had the worst experience. And I got to see what it was like with everyone. And every time I was there - there were like twenty people in line, and I was waiting like a half an hour.

-Judy, Blue group

Manny: I think the problem with advising is the accessibility. Again, they’re dealing with a lot of students. It seems like - correct me if I am wrong - but it seems like for every department there is only one advisor.

-Manny, Manny interview

Furthermore, most students expressed frustration with large classes at Hunter where individual contact with the professor is limited and it is difficult to ask for clarifications of the material presented.

Judy: In a general assembly hall - you know - people are trying to ask questions. And I don’t know anyone who had an easy time in that class and not because the material is actually hard….

-Judy, Blue group

Hope:…. because it was at a lecture hall…and uh…we didn’t have enough time to ask questions or get individual attention.

-Hope, Hope interview

Sam: Anything in a lecture hall is horrible. I’d say it’s just impractical to conduct any kind of class there. You are better off just studying by yourself. Taking the textbook and doing your thing and coming in for the test. Because…not to put any professor down, but the acoustics are horrible most of the time and usually it’s an Adjunct where English is their second language – which has been my experience. So…it all makes for a bad experience.

-Sam, Yellow group

Students diverged, however, in their perceptions of the level of difficulty of their classes. Some participants asserted that classes seemed too easy and projected that professors were pandering to the lowest common denominator of student when presenting lecture material. They complained that many Hunter students lack motivation. Generally, these students tended to cluster in the high achiever or active adapter categories.

Manny: Sometimes it is boring - especially when…I feel its like high school…you still see half the class … has not read the book at all….the teacher feels obligated to inform the students that haven’t read - what they should have read. So…they’re learning something new - that’s when its boring a lot of times.

-Manny, Manny interview

Kara: I feel the same way; I’m not challenged. I should be more challenged. Everybody puts pressure on the professor to get a better grade, but they really don’t want to work for it.

-Kara, Red group

Jane: I think that the papers that you have to write here at Hunter are really short. In high school I was writing 10-15 pages long papers, and I haven’t had to do that here once; the longest ones I have written have been five or six pages.

-Jane, Red group.

In contrast, some students perceived the coursework at Hunter to be quite challenging and were struggling to adjust to college level work. These students seemed to cluster in the low achiever or active adapter categories.

Ada:…that and plus I don't know it was either going too quick, teachers going too fast, or… You can't really slow down since it's a lecture hall.

-Ada, Gray group

Rae: I feel like sometimes the 101 courses are so hard, like even harder than the advanced courses. So sometimes I would take more than one to fill my distribution requirements - like not my major or minor - but just for distribution requirements. And they would make it so hard - like you would have to write three papers and read five books. And you know it’s 101, and it’s so hard.

-Rae, Blue group

Joe: My classes are very challenging. I don’t really have any complaints; everything has been going well.My major is accounting. So far - so good.

-Joe, Red group

Ironically, these students agreed with their higher functioning cohort that a sizeable amount of Hunter students lack motivation.

Meg: In class everyone's quiet to themselves.

M: And why do you think that is?

Wanda: Some are too dedicated; some just don't care.

M: …you said other people don't care?

Wanda: Other people you see with their hats down...

Ada: Sleeping.

- Meg, Wanda, Ada, Gray group

In terms of how these struggling students handle the challenge of college level work, some students stated that they had sought out some of the academic services that Hunter offers such as the Writing Center and Math Labs. Unfortunately, most of these students complained that these academic services were not entirely helpful.

Rose:I went once (to the Writing Center) and we basically, but they're there to guide you but they're very clear that they will not help you in any way to write it. So you have to just keep reading the paper out loud over and over, and you have to decide if you want to change it.

M:OK, uh, that sounds very labor intensive….

Rose:Yeah I never went back. Like, I went once and I never went back. I was like, "Forget this."

-Rose, Gray group

Hope: …the Math lab is very small to start with… you asked them a question and they ask you something, they ask you…they rephrase the question…. And um…if you don’t, if they see that you don’t understand…they work it out for you. But they don’t explain how they got the answer.

Hope, Yellow group

Ada: (Regarding a tutor at the Writing Center)… she didn't really correct it, she just did like one or two little grammar mistakes that I had. But then when I gave it to the teacher, she corrected it and there was like a whole bunch of grammar mistakes or something. So it didn't really help.

-Ada, Ada Interview

Kelly, a high achieving student, commented that in her work as a math tutor to other students, she has to provide more extensive academic assistance than just help with a Math concept.

Kelly:… sometimes I tutor the students not for math, but how to use the book. I teach them skills that they should know already. That’s amazing to me. And it’s not only with freshmen, because I would understand if it only happened to freshmen, but it happens to upper level students as well.

Kelly, Red group


Hope, an active adapter, acknowledged that some of the college’s attempts at teaching study skills through various workshops (i.e. workshops on Test-Taking Strategies or Math Anxiety) were a step be a more comprehensive program put into place to help students with study habits.

Hope: …they started having those workshops (Um hmm.) which are not most of the times available.

M: … you think there should be another course maybe that talks about studying strategies?

Hope: Definitely. And some people might find it…that it …might not be useful…at the beginning…. Because – Freshmen –that’s what we all think back then - “This is not useful!”But inthe long run – you will find out that it is.

-Hope, Hope interview

Indeed, the need for a more comprehensive, academic assistance program to benefit struggling student seems readily apparent.

 
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